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Mr. RAKER. Then, so far as you know, California, Nevada, Arizona, and that country are sort of a unit in favor of the Government commencing on this Boulder Canyon power project? Professor DURAND. Yes; I so understand, and I know furthermore that the communities generally in that section of the country are in immediate need of additional power and are desirous of its prompt development from the Colorado River. To come back to the point I was speaking of----- Mr. BARBOUR (interposing). Before you leave that, could you give us any statement as to the amount of horsepower, or electric energy in horsepower, that is now used by the city of Los Angeles? Professor DURAND. The present developments in its own plants, as I said a moment ago, represent 100,000 horsepower. Mr. BARBOUR. And that is all along the aqueduct? Professor DURAND. Yes, sir. It is, furthermore, a purchaser of power to a large degree and I am sorry I am unable to give those figures. I should, perhaps, state for the benefit of the committee that I am appearing here in some small way representing Mr. Scattergood, the electrical engineer of the city, who is, unfortunately, ill in the hospital and is unable for that reason to appear before the committee. I have myself just returned from Europe and was caught by a telegram when I landed in New York and asked to come over here to assist in presenting this situation before the committee. I have been quite familiar with certain phases of these problems but the chief electrical engineer of the city would have all of these figures at his fingers' ends while unfortunately I have not. Subsequent examination develops the figure of about 160,000 horsepower capacity as representing the present total requirements of the city of Los Angeles, with proper reserve in addition to insure reliability of service. I was about to say a moment ago, with regard to the aggregate amount of power which will be developed on the Colorado River at Boulder Canyon, 600,000 horsepower, that unquestionably the interests in the territory to be served from that site will not remain without some further power development in the meantime, but it is very sure, as far as we can in any way humanly forecast the situation, that the future power developments within the next six or eight years are going to run far short of the requirements in that period, so that at the time the Boulder Canyon project shall be completed and ready for service there will be a very large void for power ready to be filled up promptly from that source, and I am satisfied in my own mind that within a very short period of time after the completion of that project the entire output of the plant will be required and can be marketed at figures which, as I shall show in a moment, will represent an economic security for the money invested.Furthermore, I believe that the communities interested in this power will be ready, on the completion of the project, to become immediately responsible not only for such an amount of power from the Boulder Canyon plant as shall represent their immediate deficits, but also for such further amounts as will anticipate to some extent their future, and that in this manner the section of the country interested in this power will be ready to assume responsibility for the entire output of the plant and thus relieve the Government of all carrying charges. I believe that I am justified in saying that the city of Los Angeles is ready to assume such responsibility to an extent far beyond its presumable deficit of power at the time the Boulder Canyon project is ready for service, and I am confident that other communities will in like manner wish to safeguard against their future growth. I believe that on a conservative estimate, from one-half to two-thirds of the total output will be immediately required by the time the project is ready for service and that responsibility for the balance will be eagerly accepted by communities interested, thus covering the entire carrying charges--as already stated. Mr. RAKER. Through what means and from what source are you going to secure the power you say you need between now and the time the Boulder Canyon dam is completed? Professor DURAND. The private power companies in the southern part of the State have still other projects in contemplation and in progress of development. These projects, by and large, will cost more per unit than will the power at the Boulder Canyon Dam, but the customers will not wait; there will be a market for power which will justify the development of some considerable amounts in the meantime but I can not undertake to say how much. Mr. RAKER. Is it your view that the private individuals and concerns that are now developing power and will have developed it by eight years from now, if the Boulder Canyon Dam is completed in eight years, will, at the time the Boulder Canyon Dam is working, lose their customers? Professor DURAND. No. I mean, they will not be able to develop power enough to supply the market.

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